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		<title>By: jrpopfan</title>
		<link>http://toywithme.com/sexuality/polyamory/comment-page-1/#comment-23639</link>
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		<pubDate>Mon, 14 Jun 2010 19:51:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I was in a committed lesbian relationship for six years, before falling in love with someone else. It was not that I didn&#039;t not love my girlfriend any less or she wasn&#039;t &quot;meeting all my needs&quot;. We were the poster children for the perfect lesbian couple, no jealously, no fights, everything was harmonious. Someone just came in to my life that filled a different part of my life, that I never knew was missing.  
Dealing with the conversation of a poly lifestyle was hard, but in the end the six year relationship is actually stronger because we are in it by choice. It is not for everyone, but you definitely have to have a stable base and each of the participants have to have rules and lack jealously.  
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		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I was in a committed lesbian relationship for six years, before falling in love with someone else. It was not that I didn&#039;t not love my girlfriend any less or she wasn&#039;t &quot;meeting all my needs&quot;. We were the poster children for the perfect lesbian couple, no jealously, no fights, everything was harmonious. Someone just came in to my life that filled a different part of my life, that I never knew was missing.<br />
Dealing with the conversation of a poly lifestyle was hard, but in the end the six year relationship is actually stronger because we are in it by choice. It is not for everyone, but you definitely have to have a stable base and each of the participants have to have rules and lack jealously.</p>
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		<title>By: Toy With Me</title>
		<link>http://toywithme.com/sexuality/polyamory/comment-page-1/#comment-18765</link>
		<dc:creator>Toy With Me</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 04:56:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KJ - An excellent post that has provided thought provoking comments as well as in depth sharing of views.  It is nice to see those who disagree can present their point of view in a tactful manner without slander.  Very interesting to read from start to finish.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KJ &#8211; An excellent post that has provided thought provoking comments as well as in depth sharing of views.  It is nice to see those who disagree can present their point of view in a tactful manner without slander.  Very interesting to read from start to finish.</p>
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		<title>By: Philosophy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Philosophy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Dec 2009 02:03:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Meh. I don&#039;t really have an opinion either way, mostly because I don&#039;t think we ought to be discussing other people&#039;s sexual preferences in terms of right and wrong. What works for me may not work for you, y&#039;know.

Truth be told, I think monogamous or polyamorous leanings are a lot like sexual orientation— you just happen to be born with the capacity for one or the other, just like some people are born heterosexual and some are born gay. I happen to be born with a preference for monogamous relationships, mostly because I don&#039;t ever date men who are unable to hit all my sweet spots. My husband really DOES fulfill me in every way: sexually, emotionally, recreationally, you name it. I don&#039;t ever feel the need to look outside of my marriage for anything. But of course, that&#039;s JUST ME, and it&#039;s a dangerous thing to try and universalize my singular personal experience.

I will say, though, that I agree with Bill that poly folks can get just a teensy bit preachy. A lot of my college friends were poly, so I ended up reading a lot of stuff about it, and I get a little sick of hearing how I&#039;m clearly just a stale, repressed, miserable old hag who refuses to see the light that is polyamory. I&#039;m HAPPY in a monogamous relationship. How is that a bad thing?

Side note: Hannah, this is an AWESOME blog. I will most definitely be back.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Meh. I don&#8217;t really have an opinion either way, mostly because I don&#8217;t think we ought to be discussing other people&#8217;s sexual preferences in terms of right and wrong. What works for me may not work for you, y&#8217;know.</p>
<p>Truth be told, I think monogamous or polyamorous leanings are a lot like sexual orientation— you just happen to be born with the capacity for one or the other, just like some people are born heterosexual and some are born gay. I happen to be born with a preference for monogamous relationships, mostly because I don&#8217;t ever date men who are unable to hit all my sweet spots. My husband really DOES fulfill me in every way: sexually, emotionally, recreationally, you name it. I don&#8217;t ever feel the need to look outside of my marriage for anything. But of course, that&#8217;s JUST ME, and it&#8217;s a dangerous thing to try and universalize my singular personal experience.</p>
<p>I will say, though, that I agree with Bill that poly folks can get just a teensy bit preachy. A lot of my college friends were poly, so I ended up reading a lot of stuff about it, and I get a little sick of hearing how I&#8217;m clearly just a stale, repressed, miserable old hag who refuses to see the light that is polyamory. I&#8217;m HAPPY in a monogamous relationship. How is that a bad thing?</p>
<p>Side note: Hannah, this is an AWESOME blog. I will most definitely be back.</p>
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		<title>By: Erotique</title>
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		<dc:creator>Erotique</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 15:47:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes indeed communication is key but even before that is  Intention hmmm where have I heard that recently ahh well.... There does need to be a very strong committed core relationship that allows for inclusion without emotions running amok and wreaking havoc.  It is easy to spot when the reasons were wrong or the core not strong. I could do it, I know of two people who if the hubs and I were to connect with one or both of them it would create an interesting dynamic as all parties really like and respect each other for various reasons. So I guess I am one of those who can see it&#039;s benefits.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes indeed communication is key but even before that is  Intention hmmm where have I heard that recently ahh well&#8230;. There does need to be a very strong committed core relationship that allows for inclusion without emotions running amok and wreaking havoc.  It is easy to spot when the reasons were wrong or the core not strong. I could do it, I know of two people who if the hubs and I were to connect with one or both of them it would create an interesting dynamic as all parties really like and respect each other for various reasons. So I guess I am one of those who can see it&#8217;s benefits.</p>
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		<title>By: MoM (but not the real One)</title>
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		<dc:creator>MoM (but not the real One)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Dec 2009 09:51:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Okay...please do not bombard me...these are my own personal feelings.  I do not think going outside the marriage for satisfaction is okay.  Marriage is a HUGE commitment.  It takes work, self sacrifice and a whole lot of give and take.  It has ups an downs and they have to be worked through.  So if your partner isn&#039;t satisfying you on a sexual level then tell them for God&#039;s sake!  Give them the chance to learn WITH YOU not watch you venture off to have your needs met by some other partner and just come home later to act as if its okay.  
I have to agree if you aren&#039;t ready for a commitment then please don&#039;t get married.  I have a hard time believing that a couple can go off and have sex with their other lover and no one&#039;s feeling get hurt.  No one&#039;s heart gets crushed.  
The day I got married I made a promise to cherish only one man.  I will die with that promise  intact.  In my life...having sex with another person is just an excuse to cheat...sorry that&#039;s how I see it.  I don&#039;t give a damn if both partners agree on it...it&#039;s cheating and its selfish.  As far as kids ....I&#039;m raising mine with a particular set of morals and values.  Having sex with someone outside the partnership is not in those values.  I&#039;m showing my kids that marriage is a wonderful thing along with one of the toughest things I&#039;ve ever done.  It requires me to put the needs of my husband above mine some days and I do.  He does the same.  I don&#039;t want my children to think its okay for me or my hub to go out ...have sex and then come home as if we&#039;ve done nothing wrong.  Marriage is for 2 people ....not extras on the side for flavor.  I&#039;ve worked long and hard on this marriage.  I love him more now than ever.  We&#039;ve achieved that through lots of ups and downs.  I don&#039;t mean to offend anyone.  It&#039;s just that to truly love one person you have to be able to give them 110%.  Being with other partners....that&#039;s giving a % to someone else.  Now maybe I&#039;m just old but this is how I see things.  Going outside the marriage means you&#039;re not getting your needs met by your partner so for God&#039;s sake.....open up your mouth and let them know.  You could be ruining their life with this cheating....and they might just be too afraid to lose you so they take what they get.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Okay&#8230;please do not bombard me&#8230;these are my own personal feelings.  I do not think going outside the marriage for satisfaction is okay.  Marriage is a HUGE commitment.  It takes work, self sacrifice and a whole lot of give and take.  It has ups an downs and they have to be worked through.  So if your partner isn&#8217;t satisfying you on a sexual level then tell them for God&#8217;s sake!  Give them the chance to learn WITH YOU not watch you venture off to have your needs met by some other partner and just come home later to act as if its okay.<br />
I have to agree if you aren&#8217;t ready for a commitment then please don&#8217;t get married.  I have a hard time believing that a couple can go off and have sex with their other lover and no one&#8217;s feeling get hurt.  No one&#8217;s heart gets crushed.<br />
The day I got married I made a promise to cherish only one man.  I will die with that promise  intact.  In my life&#8230;having sex with another person is just an excuse to cheat&#8230;sorry that&#8217;s how I see it.  I don&#8217;t give a damn if both partners agree on it&#8230;it&#8217;s cheating and its selfish.  As far as kids &#8230;.I&#8217;m raising mine with a particular set of morals and values.  Having sex with someone outside the partnership is not in those values.  I&#8217;m showing my kids that marriage is a wonderful thing along with one of the toughest things I&#8217;ve ever done.  It requires me to put the needs of my husband above mine some days and I do.  He does the same.  I don&#8217;t want my children to think its okay for me or my hub to go out &#8230;have sex and then come home as if we&#8217;ve done nothing wrong.  Marriage is for 2 people &#8230;.not extras on the side for flavor.  I&#8217;ve worked long and hard on this marriage.  I love him more now than ever.  We&#8217;ve achieved that through lots of ups and downs.  I don&#8217;t mean to offend anyone.  It&#8217;s just that to truly love one person you have to be able to give them 110%.  Being with other partners&#8230;.that&#8217;s giving a % to someone else.  Now maybe I&#8217;m just old but this is how I see things.  Going outside the marriage means you&#8217;re not getting your needs met by your partner so for God&#8217;s sake&#8230;..open up your mouth and let them know.  You could be ruining their life with this cheating&#8230;.and they might just be too afraid to lose you so they take what they get.</p>
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		<title>By: comictragedy</title>
		<link>http://toywithme.com/sexuality/polyamory/comment-page-1/#comment-18635</link>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:17:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah. Well. I ain&#039;t fasting unless Santa Joo cums down my chimney.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah. Well. I ain&#8217;t fasting unless Santa Joo cums down my chimney.</p>
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		<title>By: KinkyJew</title>
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		<dc:creator>KinkyJew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 16:14:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yeah, I DO know you, and I know how you intend things, but as I&#039;ve learned, what can sound good in our heads doesn&#039;t always make it with the same tone across the interwebs.  I just wanted to make sure that we were all on the same page. 

Also, yes, you are still an honorary Jooooo. Keep that in mind when Yom Kippur rolls around, and you have to fast with the rest of us!  :)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yeah, I DO know you, and I know how you intend things, but as I&#8217;ve learned, what can sound good in our heads doesn&#8217;t always make it with the same tone across the interwebs.  I just wanted to make sure that we were all on the same page. </p>
<p>Also, yes, you are still an honorary Jooooo. Keep that in mind when Yom Kippur rolls around, and you have to fast with the rest of us!  <img src='http://toywithme.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: comictragedy</title>
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		<dc:creator>comictragedy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:52:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>KJ. You know me better than that! I wasn&#039;t demeaning anything FF said nor was I making it *personal* in the sense you&#039;re saying. 

And I said. All things have exceptions. *You* are an exception. *I* am not. I suffer from all the slings and arrows of my upbringing. And I don&#039;t believe my mother woke up one day and said, &quot;hm.. what can I do to really fuck this kid up?&quot; I think she just didn&#039;t realize that having me meant making changes in her life. That having me meant she needed to do things differently. And she didn&#039;t know better *before* she had me that she didn&#039;t have the capacity to raise a child. 

So. Kiss my fat, white, furry ass. Plus. You *have* to be nice to me. I&#039;m an honorary Joo.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>KJ. You know me better than that! I wasn&#8217;t demeaning anything FF said nor was I making it *personal* in the sense you&#8217;re saying. </p>
<p>And I said. All things have exceptions. *You* are an exception. *I* am not. I suffer from all the slings and arrows of my upbringing. And I don&#8217;t believe my mother woke up one day and said, &#8220;hm.. what can I do to really fuck this kid up?&#8221; I think she just didn&#8217;t realize that having me meant making changes in her life. That having me meant she needed to do things differently. And she didn&#8217;t know better *before* she had me that she didn&#8217;t have the capacity to raise a child. </p>
<p>So. Kiss my fat, white, furry ass. Plus. You *have* to be nice to me. I&#8217;m an honorary Joo.</p>
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		<title>By: KinkyJew</title>
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		<dc:creator>KinkyJew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:26:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Mel - I am FULL of fascinating tidbits about sex and the Torah. My husband was excited to learn that he could now have multiple wives. I was excited to learn that you can hold a man down and slap him while he&#039;s sleeping until he cries &quot;uncle.&quot; 

@Comic &amp; Firefly - I think it&#039;s important that we not make this a personal thing. FF has made his choice in how to raise his daughter. Maybe it&#039;s wrong, but maybe it isn&#039;t. Not being in his life, I can&#039;t say. But I will say this: for thousands of years, this is how life was. You had one husband, and many wives. Or, you had one husband, one wife, and the entire family, plus in-laws, lived in the same house. Kids can learn to adapt if things are taught to them in a loving way. When I was little, I was the only kid I knew of who was Artificial Insemination. Some people learn about that, and freak out, and have real issues with it. I&#039;ve never been freaked out about it, and I&#039;ve never had anything but pride that my mother would do whatever it took to get me here. 

I think the point here is that this is a different decision, and the way we teach our kids counts for everything. Sure, what IF his daughter isn&#039;t ok with it? But what if, like me, she learns that there are a variety of ways to live your life, and there&#039;s always someone home for her, always someone to talk to? I think the &quot;children&quot; issue is a huge one for the Poly community, and I look forward to seeing how they handle it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Mel &#8211; I am FULL of fascinating tidbits about sex and the Torah. My husband was excited to learn that he could now have multiple wives. I was excited to learn that you can hold a man down and slap him while he&#8217;s sleeping until he cries &#8220;uncle.&#8221; </p>
<p>@Comic &amp; Firefly &#8211; I think it&#8217;s important that we not make this a personal thing. FF has made his choice in how to raise his daughter. Maybe it&#8217;s wrong, but maybe it isn&#8217;t. Not being in his life, I can&#8217;t say. But I will say this: for thousands of years, this is how life was. You had one husband, and many wives. Or, you had one husband, one wife, and the entire family, plus in-laws, lived in the same house. Kids can learn to adapt if things are taught to them in a loving way. When I was little, I was the only kid I knew of who was Artificial Insemination. Some people learn about that, and freak out, and have real issues with it. I&#8217;ve never been freaked out about it, and I&#8217;ve never had anything but pride that my mother would do whatever it took to get me here. </p>
<p>I think the point here is that this is a different decision, and the way we teach our kids counts for everything. Sure, what IF his daughter isn&#8217;t ok with it? But what if, like me, she learns that there are a variety of ways to live your life, and there&#8217;s always someone home for her, always someone to talk to? I think the &#8220;children&#8221; issue is a huge one for the Poly community, and I look forward to seeing how they handle it.</p>
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		<title>By: comictragedy</title>
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		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Dec 2009 15:17:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@Firefly. Okay. You&#039;ve done it. You just *had* to break the bubble. May your computer crash and the Geek Squad not be available until after February.

That being said. Here&#039;s my thought. I&#039;m probably older than you. And here&#039;s what I&#039;ve learned getting this old. There are ALWAYS exceptions to any rule. You&#039;re going to have healthy, well adjusted children come from the homes of drug addicted jail birds and you&#039;re going to have drug addicted jailbirds come from the homes of stable, well balanced, loving parents. That&#039;s the law. I&#039;m pretty sure of it. 

But. The averages are against this happening. And let me say this straight out. This is one of my *biggest* pet peeves. 

Children. YOUR children are not high school eggs to carry around for a week to see if you break it. They are NOT some experiment where you see what&#039;ll happen if you do *this* or *that*. They are tiny human beings who have been entrusted to your care. They are absofuckinglutely dependent on you to make good decisions, make sacrifices, and raise them with love and discipline and guidance. And assuming that *the kids will be okay if we make this really stupid decision* (by the way.. I am NOT referring to the subject of this post right here) is taking a huge chance on that life that they will *survive* it. 

The divorce debacle is the perfect background for this example. Back when my mother divorced, I was the only one in my SCHOOL who had divorced parents. The overall thought at that time was *the kids will be okay as long as everyone acts like adults*. Well. Guess what? *They* were wrong. The psychobabble that gave married couples the *okay* to stop working at their marriage was in place because everyone was told *kids adapt*. Now. All these years later. A new crop of psychotherapists are saying *mistakes were made*. Look at the degeneration of our children through the years. Do you believe this is just evolution? That each generation of children become more and more empty of emotional attachment because we stopped growing hair on the back of our hands?

I have no problem with multiple partners. I have a problem with continuing a life style once you&#039;ve made a committment. And once you brought a child into the world, you have to sacrifice. What that word entails is being able to put aside your own *personal* desires in order to be the best parent you can be to your children. Period. And a willingness to experiment with your child&#039;s psyche seems a bit.. well.. selfish. 

You didn&#039;t mention whether or not your daughter is okay with your decisions. If she is, she is an exception. But. What if. What if, as she grew up in your lifestyle, her emotional well being was being compromised? And what if your lifestyle caused her to be unsure of herself, her sexuality, her very being? And what if those feelings in here caused her to make decisions that put her life at risk? Would you *still* think it was okay?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@Firefly. Okay. You&#8217;ve done it. You just *had* to break the bubble. May your computer crash and the Geek Squad not be available until after February.</p>
<p>That being said. Here&#8217;s my thought. I&#8217;m probably older than you. And here&#8217;s what I&#8217;ve learned getting this old. There are ALWAYS exceptions to any rule. You&#8217;re going to have healthy, well adjusted children come from the homes of drug addicted jail birds and you&#8217;re going to have drug addicted jailbirds come from the homes of stable, well balanced, loving parents. That&#8217;s the law. I&#8217;m pretty sure of it. </p>
<p>But. The averages are against this happening. And let me say this straight out. This is one of my *biggest* pet peeves. </p>
<p>Children. YOUR children are not high school eggs to carry around for a week to see if you break it. They are NOT some experiment where you see what&#8217;ll happen if you do *this* or *that*. They are tiny human beings who have been entrusted to your care. They are absofuckinglutely dependent on you to make good decisions, make sacrifices, and raise them with love and discipline and guidance. And assuming that *the kids will be okay if we make this really stupid decision* (by the way.. I am NOT referring to the subject of this post right here) is taking a huge chance on that life that they will *survive* it. </p>
<p>The divorce debacle is the perfect background for this example. Back when my mother divorced, I was the only one in my SCHOOL who had divorced parents. The overall thought at that time was *the kids will be okay as long as everyone acts like adults*. Well. Guess what? *They* were wrong. The psychobabble that gave married couples the *okay* to stop working at their marriage was in place because everyone was told *kids adapt*. Now. All these years later. A new crop of psychotherapists are saying *mistakes were made*. Look at the degeneration of our children through the years. Do you believe this is just evolution? That each generation of children become more and more empty of emotional attachment because we stopped growing hair on the back of our hands?</p>
<p>I have no problem with multiple partners. I have a problem with continuing a life style once you&#8217;ve made a committment. And once you brought a child into the world, you have to sacrifice. What that word entails is being able to put aside your own *personal* desires in order to be the best parent you can be to your children. Period. And a willingness to experiment with your child&#8217;s psyche seems a bit.. well.. selfish. </p>
<p>You didn&#8217;t mention whether or not your daughter is okay with your decisions. If she is, she is an exception. But. What if. What if, as she grew up in your lifestyle, her emotional well being was being compromised? And what if your lifestyle caused her to be unsure of herself, her sexuality, her very being? And what if those feelings in here caused her to make decisions that put her life at risk? Would you *still* think it was okay?</p>
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